Seems Microsoft has added a 'Related Resources' section to the lightweight view. I find this unhelpful and more a distraction than anything else. What do you think?ITMAGE shared this idea ·
I am going to mark this as completed as we recently released a Blue theme in the Visual Studio Update 2 for VS2012.
Please let us know what you think of the theme and if there’s any areas for improvement please log a suggestion bug on our Connect site: http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio
VS IDE Team
Take a look at the VS 2012 Color Theme Editor – it is an option for creating and editing your own Visual Studio themes.
Doug Turnure – Visual Studio PM
You know I was just thinking about something. We've all been under the impression that Microsoft has changed the UI to be more inline with metro and such. However,,,, I wonder if there's another plan at work here. In not using the Windows themes, colors and icons, maybe they're trying to make VS more platform agnostic, which would mean this might be a step in making VS easier to port it to another OS. I'm probably way off base here, but hey who knows.
Just thinking out loud.
" should support the features of the given operating system. In other words - VS 2012 running on Windows 7 should support Aero and the other visual features"
@Joel: I agree with you completely. The editor window is only a portion of what we do. For those who think color/3-d icons are unimportant, try developing a project with a solution consisting of a couple of dozen projects and thousands of nested files within. Now go and quickly pick out the file you're looking for when there are no clearly discernible icons/colors. Or perhaps try drilling down into the architecture explorer which is also washed out with windows running into one another (no clear border). These two examples demonstrate just portion of where the problem lies. However set all that aside for a moment, and consider those of us with vision problems such as floaters. These are spots and lines in the vision path which are sometimes quite prominent. So when one looks at a flat surface, or a surface w/o contrast/color (like a blue sky, white wall) these things are all over. Same happens when there is a lack of contrast and color on the screen - the floaters are everywhere. Same happens with grey text and light blue hyperlinks - no contrast. Very annoying. Or consider people with chronic dry eyes who may have trouble focusing on something when all the objects are pale, and colors washed out. Now consider people with both of these issues and maybe you will begin to realize the problem. Try wearing a pair of glasses with spots all over them, and this doesn't even compare in depth with some people who have extreme cases of floaters. This is a real issue many of us face each and every day. It totally sucks and makes you feel like a sack of beaten potatoes left out in the sun. VS2008 and 2010 were fine and worked well for us, but VS2012 makes programming a **** on earth for those with these vision issues. So if you like VS2012 as it is, then that's fine and more power to you. However consider those of us who truly have difficulty with it (whatever that difficulty may be). All anyone here is asking for, is what Microsoft has always been about: CHOICE. Give us an OPTION. This is a real accessibility issue and I think perhaps we need to raise it to Microsoft as one. If they won't listen to reason, maybe they will listen to accessibility complaints.
Hey people, now Microsoft is screwing up the MSDN site as well by removing the CLASSIC view in favor of the 'grey theme'. I created a thread for this:
Also you might want to post over here as well:
@anonymous " see the proliferation of Metro to MSDN and Blog content...., barely contrasting colors selected for text, confusing layouts... "
Absolutely on the mark. Lately I've been finding it more tiresome to view areas of MSDN because of the all the grey text. It's like they either choose grey text on a white background or grey text on a grey background which is insanely hard on the eyes. If you look though, this seems to be a trend on the web as many other sites are going this way as well. For example, the other day I was working on an iOS project and reading (well trying to read) docs over at Apple's dev site, and it was all grey too. What the fascination is with grey and reduced color and contrast, I just don't know. Maybe their 'marketing' people think the screen looks less cluttered with grey text than black? Well,,, yeahhh,, duhhh, because it's ****** to actually see! This really needs to stop. These marketards are creating a disaster for us. We write code, we read lots of docs, we generate software, that's what we do! These sites and tools need to be geared towards OUR needs, and not make some blasted fashion statement. Anyway, I'm ranting and off topic now.
Icons still suck and apparently Microsoft has no plans of addressing this, they wrote:
"We currently have no plans to offer the old-style icons for Visual Studio 2012."
"We believe this design consistency is important, and we expect the icon styles to become familiar and comfortable over time."
So go here and tell them what you really think:
@ Anon "Yeah, I know so keep using it - nobody is stopping you"
The other problem is that to develop Win8, WP8 and 4.5 based apps we'll need to use this beast. So we're left with little choice.
There's a project over at codeplex called Visual Studio Icon Patcher
Forgot to post an example of a site using grey text on a white background:
Slightly off topic here, but has anyone noticed some Microsoft forums and MSDN sites are now starting to have this grey text on white backround (instead of black text on white)? They also have a lighter color blue for hyperlinks instead of the standard dark blue? It's like there's no contrast and the text blends into the background - it's one big eye strain. Seriously I was trying to get some work done and each time I encountered this I had a hard time reading it. What the heck is going on?
@Narbeh: Glad it works for you :-) For me unfortunately it doesn't work well with my eyes. The only way I can tolerate it is to turn off all the toolbars and windows, and just us the editor window. Sad because the vibrant colors and 3D-like icons of VS2010 kind of gave me inspiration. Using VS2010 is sort of like sitting in a datacenter with the lights off, and watching all the flashing lights of the machines. This has always lifted my spirits - strange but true. VS2012 evokes an entirely different feeling altogether.
People: Go post your feelings about the UI here
@Roland: A theme editor is not enough, the icons need to go, the spacing is all wrong, the font sizes are screwy etc. What we really need is a complete VS2010 theme option. But alas it seems Microsoft has decided we're unimportant and thinks it knows best.
"pressure on Microsoft to fix this" - LOL, good one..." - yeah you're right I should know better, one can only hope,,, imagine that...
People let's keep up the pressure on Microsoft to fix this ****** UI and so go here and post, post, post!
I haven't downloaded VS2012RTM yet, so did they change anything regarding the UI or is it still running a maximum suckage?
"the new outlook.com is similarly grey"
I saw that as well and provided some feedback (like their going to listen right??) to them effectively telling them the lack of color and contrast issues make it unenjoyable to use. Just when Hotmail was starting to look pretty good, they launch the outlook.com UI. I think Microsoft is either going to win big time, or more likely, lose huge marketshare fast. Across the board the UIs are getting sucky. They oversimplified to the point of it being more effort to use. Now I'm just waiting for that 'DECLINED' email to pop up regarding the VS2010 theme request. I will be floored if they actually listened to us and provide the option for a full VS2010 theme. Imagine that...
This thing is apparently going RTM on 15 Aug
@mrdev: Funny you should mention that. I was just writing that exact feedback to Microsoft about their new Outlook.com interface. It washes out and no distinction. Ridiculous that in 2012 we have to complain about such things. Where Microsoft's head is, is anyone's guess (well maybe not).
@Richard: I agree the color scheme is dreadful. I'll bet they probably picked a 100 or so people who knew nothing about Visual Studio (you know so they wouldn't be "biased") and said: "Now tell me, what jumps out at you?....Oh the color, let's remove that... What else?.. Oh the borders, ok let's remove that too...Now what? Oh the icons, let's change those,,, now? The code? Ok that's what we wanted to hear". Of course that's insanity because you need to use the darn thing and know what you're doing, to provide any kind of useful input. But I would gamble that's probably what happened here. Some people were hired to "reimagine" the UI and they had to do something to show their value. Change for the sake of change,,, that's what this is. Stubborn, pig headedness.
People: There's less than 800 votes on the VS2010 theme topic. Let's not give Microsoft any excuse to say that 'not enough people indicated they wanted a VS2010 theme', and so head over to this link and: a) Vote and b) Write something
Metro is ok on the phone and so far tolerable on the tablet (although personally I'm happy with Win7 on the tablet - i know i'm in the minority). But Metro on the desktop? I don't like it, I don't want it and will only use it to the extent needed to do my dev work. If it's there as an OPTIONAL desktop (sort of kinda like it is now - and I'm not happy with the way it is now either), then great. But what's happening is a clear shift away from the trad desktop. First we lose the start button, then search is tied to the Metro envt, then Aero disappears, and eventually we may not have a traditional desktop at all. Couple this with things like the apparent loss of focus on silverlight (which is an awesome platform and I don't care what anyone says otherwise) and the abolute ****** UI we're presented with now for VS2012, and the result = total suckage. But who knows, maybe the generation growing up now will like it, as they seem to spend endless hours on bs social networking sites, texting and not doing very much concrete work. So I don't like some of the directions they seem to be heading in. Microsoft needs to provide a good solution for tablets, build on WP7 (which I think has enormous potential), and double-down on the already fantastic work it's done with Win7 & 2K8R2, .Net, Silverlight, Azure, Office 365, dev tools like VS2012 and such.
Been months now and still trying to force myself to get use to this grey depressing disaster called a UI, but still come to very same conclusion: it's just total suckage, no question about it. Increased productivity you claim? Well I'm just not seeing it and actually it's just the opposite. Take the error provider component, you know it's the red icon with the exclamation point. Now it's just some bland greyness.You know stop signs are red for a reason people, should we make them grey as well? Waht's up? Then I was looking for the radio button, that's the one with the circle and green dot in middle. Was it green? No dude it's grey like everything else in the toolbox. How about the datagrid we all know as having the yellow db icon? Guess what??? More abysmal grey. I have to say this UI is just killing me! It takes forever to pick thing out and now I have to actually focus to try to find it (which frustrates me to no end). Is this increased productivite? Oh wait you say, just look for it alphabetically. Well maybe you work that way but I don't, I need my colour. It takes me longer to read through it alphabetically and is serious a royal pain in neck. And don't get me started on the greyness of the solution explorer background and other major windows, as that sucks just as much if not more. White backgrounds work, grey doesn't. So I'll say it yet again: WE WANT THE OPTION OF A VS2010 THEME, PERIOD, END OF STORY.
People, in addition to commenting here make sure you go to this link and vote for a VS2010 theme option, else Microsoft might simply say 'Hey only 100 people voted so we're not adding it': https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio/suggestions/2819619-leave-vs-2010-theme-and-the-theme-editor-extensio
In addition to the LIGHT and DARK themes, add a VS2010 UI theme so that we can get back to work.
Take a look at the VS 2012 Color Theme editor. It’s has a lot of what you are requesting here. http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/366ad100-0003-4c9a-81a8-337d4e7ace05
VS Program Manager
I’m going to mark this as completed so you can get your votes back – note that Matthew Johnson has released a VS 2012 color theme editor as you requested (link below) – I know it doesn’t have everything you requested in this idea, but hopefully this helps to address your feedback.
Doug Turnure – Visual Studio PMITMAGE gave this 12 votes ·
Go post your feelings about the UI here:
"A theme editor would at least make the decisions forgivable" -- It would help but the other huge problem are the icons including those in the solution explorer. We need to be able to change them as well.
Colors(or lack thereof): Bad, Iconography: Bad, Contrast: Bad, Window separation: Bad
Trying to find something good (that I like) about the UI is posing quite a challenge.
Ed: I didn't even realize that until your post. It's not much but I found this: http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/747648/no-windows-forms-aplication-project-template-for-c-in-vs2012-rc-ultimate
@Anonymous: Well I can say we generally updgrade for one of two reasons: a) Added functionality such as support for newer frameworks, and b) Greater usability which includes things like theUI. At this time we're quite content with .Net 3.5 and VS2010 functionality, and so that leaves the usability, which sadly, VS2012RC lags behind in due to the horrid UI. In any event we're an enterprise organization and are starting to investigate alternative IDEs in the event Microsoft doesn't fix this mess and provide something like a VS2010 theme.
Another thing I noticed but couldn't quantify until today is that the bowtie icon is kinda harsh with it's pointy edges. Sounds ridiculous but this concept extends to other Metro UI stuff as well such as removing the rounded edges on app windows, square tiles, lack of gradient/transition in color (it's like all or nothing) and so on. So rather than having rounded edges and smooth transitions in the UI which gives me a smooth calming feeling (as strange as it may sound), it makes me kind of agitated. Strange but true. But hey it just must be me getting old...
This new icon is pretty ugly, whereas the VS2010 infinity symbol represents the infinite possibilities when using VS. Ahh here's a nice slogan if we went back to the infinity symbol: 'Explore the infinite with Visual Studio 2012'
Thanks to everyone for sharing your feedback on this issue. VS 2012 supported platforms are now published here (http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/compatibility ). While Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 are not supported for .NET Framework 4.5, they remain as supported targeted platforms in VS 2012. More information is available here (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/18/a-look-ahead-at-the-visual-studio-11-product-lineup-and-platform-support.aspx)
DeonHe – MSFT
.NET Framework Team
@shame: Totally bad decision.
@radioman: Total suckage.
@kostya: I hear ya, Maybe just stay with .Net 4.0 if that does the trick. So far we have no reason to move to 4.5 or VS2012 with it's dreary and blurry UI. Maybe that day will come, maybe not, but whatever 4.0 doesn't have we can probably augment in other ways. Problem for us though comes with developing for Win8 Metro and WP8 though.
Are they going to decline the VS2010 theme as well?!??
I agree, this is disappointing. And no explanation?? That's just a bit disrespectful to all those here who spent their time to comment.
UPDATE: This SKU is now available for download – details here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/09/12/visual-studio-express-2012-for-windows-desktop-is-here.aspx
Thanks for all the feedback on this item. As you may have seen, we will plan to release a Visual Studio 2012 Express for Windows desktop this Fall. Full details are here:
Doug Turnure – Visual Studio PM
PS – I’m going to go ahead and close this item out and release your UserVoice votes back so you can apply them elsewhere.
By not allowing VS 2012 Express to target the non-metro UI, Microsoft will lose many of the very people their looking to gain: New developers on other platforms and startup software companies who have little money to purchase VS licenses. So these people will go with Monodevelop or something and start the trek down open source. Bad move Microsoft.
The option for Proper Case has already been completed - see here:
So we got the the theme editor and the caps issue resolved. The next hurdle is to get the VS2010 icons back. It'd also be nice to get back the original VS2010 chrome and have it respect the Windows theme setting like Aero.