Create a Ubiquitous .NET Client Application Development Model
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This vote is for developers who wish to see the idea of a ubiquitous .NET client application development model created by Microsoft and the Visual Studio team.
A ubiquitous .NET client application development model is a model that is defined in .NET-based technologies and is able to run in a multitude of runtime environments -- both native-compiled (store-hosted) and web-hosted.
A *very* rough image of the vision can be found here:
The goal is to enable *one* .NET Client Application Project to build deliverables for the following platforms:
1) Windows 10
2) Legacy Windows
3) *nix (Unix/Linux)
8) ??? (Extendible to different, future platforms)
In order to achieve the above, a ubiquitous .NET client application development model should strive to possess the following qualities:
1) Native Cross-Platform Capable - For native-compiled/store-hosted scenarios (iOS/Droid/Windows Store)
3) Consistent User Experience - For brand recognition, reinforcement, and optimal usability across all known scenarios
4) Cross-Boundary Accessibility - For shared code/assemblies between server and client boundaries
5) Xaml-Powered - Harnessing one of the greatest inventions in Microsoft's great history
6) Object Serialization Congruence - Markup used to describe serialized objects is what is created in memory
7) Holistic Development Consistency - The same guidelines and conventions are used in both client and server scenarios
For more information around this idea and the qualities above, a series of articles has been created to discuss the notion of a ubiquitous .NET client application development model at length. You can view that series here:
Finally, this is intended to be a starting point for discussion, and not a final solution. THAT is meant for the experts there at Microsoft. :) Thank you for any support, dialogue, and feedback around this idea!
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LOL @Marc ... negative but funny AF. ;)
Also, @Anonymous 100% agree. Don't forget this issue has been "under review" for over 2 full years now. Without any remark whatsoever from admins. Pretty impressive. I still think someone got drunk one day and accidentally hit the wrong button. Either that or they are no longer working for MSFT. Maybe both. :P
Marc Roussel commented
@FilipiVC Welcome to the unubiquitous world of finding the right solution in a time frame for which the technology is changing rapidly. In a nutshell, right now it's called MVC and a ton of frameworks with a not so powerful foundation.
We still have to wait.....Waiting since a long time now....Meanwhile it's a pain in the...Blazor ? Hmmm not so sure. No GUI to develop UI UX We are still again at the age of the Autocad LISP
A negative post sorry...
my biggest question is about web development and how to make client side interaction easy to develop and with a good look and feel like desktop softwares without tons of frameworks and code.
The fact MSFT is setting up poll after poll instead of just tackling the 10 most voted UserVoice items tells a lot: They hate the answers they get. Stupid as we are, we keep refusing the rewrite all our UI in JS/CSS/"JS generator of the day" and keep asking to fix the mess they created with 3 (!) incompatible XAML dialects. Silly-us.
FWIW, this idea has now surpassed 9,000 votes, and is by far the most popular idea here on Visual Studio's feedback forum. FWIWx2: There's a survey going on with the .NET group on what they should do next. Feel free to chime in and give them a pointer back here. ;)
@Антон, the problem with Bridge.net is that it does not support .NET Standard 2.0 or PCLs, so you ultimately end up with 2 separate codebases that results in twice the total cost of ownership to develop and maintain. Right now the only viable choices or approaches for a ubiquitous .NET are Blazor (as you mentioned) and Ooui:
Антон Кононов commented
For HTML5 experience we can use https://bridge.net/
Here Microsoft can add .NET Standard 1.1+ compatibility and provide with better tooling and WPF support (as opposed to Blazor with WASM this thing is really works NOW).
Blazor is shaping up:
With this @Microsoft reorganization, with @Azure Cloud First, AI first and Quantum, I think that they will allow XAML to go where previous politics did not alow, ie. the Web. and cross-platform. Silverlight 6, with Universal XAML C# F# support.
For those who have voiced their displeasure with Xamarin Forms, there's a nice thread on their very own repo with developers talking about its shortsighted issues and other well-deserved criticisms. It is also talking about ubiquitous technology in general. Nice read, IMO... that's why I am sharing it! ;)
Got my vote!
For people using Telerik/Kendo can you vote and show interest to see good WASM UI components from them?
@Oliver ... i have had problems before with certain words triggering a block. No warning/indication/nothing. This was on Visual Studio's blog and not .NET's, however. Try doing a simple post and seeing if it works, with a message saying that you are having trouble as described.
Oliver Shaw commented
Keep trying to post a comment on the calling all desktop developers, but nothing appears to show. Any one else had this problem?
Amit Gupta commented
FWIW/FYI nice conversation going on in the comments of this post if you want to contribute/complain somehow. ;)
...and if he means for Canvas support (for rendering), there are some fallbacks for it too (using Flash etc.). Not sure if one uses WebGL for rendering if there are any decent fallbacks