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    EugeneEugene shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

    We have read all of the comments on this thread and I’d like to thank you for providing your constructive feedback on this issue. Instead of merely repeating our support and migration guidance that has been laid out on http://msdn.com/vbrun, I’d like to address some of your specific comments here.

    To play back the feedback themes we’re hearing:
    - VB6 is awesome
    - VB6 needs to be brought forward and maintained: in a new release or OSS

    VB6 was and still is without a doubt awesome. VB6 made developers incredibly productive building a breadth of applications and as a result we have a wealth of applications and passionate developers to this day in 2014. One way I see our mission in developer tools is to empower developers to solve problems. This includes both today’s problems AND the problems of tomorrow. VB6, as you all have stated repeatedly in this thread, is an excellent tool for solving the problems of its day. We also stand behind our decision starting in 2002 to meet the current demands of our developers and the industry with .NET. For the scenarios VB6 set out to do, we see VB6 being “complete”. We feel good about VB6 being able to continue maintaining their applications for the past 15 years. Current needs ranging from distributed applications and services, to web applications and services, to devices, to new architectures and languages, required fundamental changes to the whole stack. We looked at how we could accommodate these needs through incremental changes to VB6 while maintaining its essence, and that was not possible.

    To address the modern needs we would need to go far beyond updating the language. We have to remember that VB6 is not just a language. VB6 is a language, a runtime, a platform library, a tool/IDE, and an ecosystem tightly packaged together in a way that made all of them work well together. We’ve worked with many customers on migration from VB6 to .NET and found that while yes, there are language changes, the dominating factor in migration difficulties isn’t the language differences. Even open sourcing the language/runtime wouldn’t solve the fact that VB6 was thought for a different set of problems, and the fact that its strength came from the end-to-end solution provided by all these five pieces working together. Take a change like 64bit, the complete runtime, tools and ecosystem chain would need to be retooled.

    So, moving forward what can we do? Where we have been able to help move forward is in our stance around support and interoperability. The VB6 runtime it is still a component of the Windows operating system and is a component shipped in Windows 8.1. It will be supported at least through 2024. This ensures your apps and components continue to run as you incrementally move forward to .NET. The support policy is here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/ms788708. There are numerous interop strategies that we developed and evolved to enable incremental migration as you upgrade your skills, described here: http://msdn.com/vbrun.

    In summary, VB6 was awesome. We agree. We don’t expect or demand anyone to throw away their code or rewrite from any of our technologies unless it makes business sense for them to do so. We have to innovate to enable our customers to innovate. It is not a viable option to create a next version of VB6. We stand by our decision to make VB.NET and the .NET Framework. We think they are awesome too. It is not feasible to open source VB6 tools chain and ecosystem. The VB6 runtime was last shipped in Windows 8.1 and will be supported for the lifetime of Windows 8.1. Support and interop are great tools to move forward incrementally.

    I hope you feel we’ve listened to your feedback and that I’ve explained things well enough that you understand our decision.

    Paul Yuknewicz
    Group Program Manager
    Microsoft Visual Studio Cloud Tools

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      • andrewandrew commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        lots of programmer switch to other language because of the no-support.
        but if counter part happen. Lots of the software will made in vb6.

      • AnonymousAnonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        ***** .NET, Microsoft doesn't even use it for their own application development. If you can't eat your own dog food, how can you expect people to buy it? VB6 RULES!

      • kakakaka commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        It is also wrong on part of many people to say that vb.net was a right extension to vb6. Yes, vb.net is a better language as per the bookish definitions of a good programming language... but it still can never be c++ or vb6.

        vb6 has the simplicity for any application development.. especially making a small application takes a huge time in vb.net.... the concepts are totally different.
        If not vb6 I prefer c++... the most powerful of programming languages that cannot be replaced by anything else.

        long live vb6.

      • kakakaka commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Microsoft is the most foolish organisation in abandoning vb6. There is no better application than vb6 for rapid development of a complete application.

        I have been using vb from vb4 and still till date use vb6 for all my application development. Except for development on Linux where i use C++, all my programing is in vb6. I do windows CE programming with vb6 and till date.. i really dont care if microsoft does not pay attention to vb6.

        To **** with microsoft... long live vb6

      • appleapple commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Nothing in dotnet will ever boost me like vb6 did. It really gave me my livelihood without my having to be a tech *****.

        MS are loosing the demographic battle of hearts and minds because vb is no longer there as a living thing to bring school leavers into programming.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Here is an Interesting article here: http://www.paulstovell.com/six-years-of-wpf
        After microsoft abandoning vb6 15 years, there are not any good develop tools or languages for desktop, winform, silverlight, wpf all dead and slow, as for .net, here is only asp.net mvc is good for us. .net is only good for web develop, just like java, not for desktop.
        So microsoft should not do wrong thing. just bring vb6 back.

      • SuperDreSuperDre commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        @Dean: nah, those companies already are thinking WTF as they had to rewrite their .NET applications again and again for the newer framework and as you might have guessed 'Windows store apps'.. And we, 12 years later are still going strong with vb6 which still works perfectly on Windows 8.. And at our company somebody even made the awfull decision to start the new '.net' version of our application with a frontend completely in Silverlight 5, great decision, runs on even fewer devices as our vb6 application........

      • DeanDean commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Just to add, I doubt Microsoft is able to bring back classic VB even if they wanted to - wouldn't the companies who were forced to re-write their software think WTF and get upset as we seamlessly upgraded to the new environment?

        Just how are those re-written .Net applications doing on the new Windows 8 Metro interface anyway?

        Write Twice, Run Nowhere

      • RymdsmurfenRymdsmurfen commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Please bring back VB6 (and VB5-VB1). I'm doing my best to write **** code in C#, but it's so much easier with VB!

      • gibragibra commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I think that Microsoft has committed serious errors of judgment:
        1) Microsoft has betrayed its customers:
        it is absurd to abandon support and will declare a language as 'dead'.
        This is demonstrated by the fact that VB6 is still alive and used in a diffuse way, though .NET has been around for over 10 years.
        If anything have to declare the end of a language, those are the developers itself. Microsoft is stupid if you want to do.
        In addition, Microsoft has abandoned all VB6 developers, and this was a bud thing, because many have turned to other languages​​, because it has never happened that a company abandons its customers!
        If it does, it loses customers, it is the law of the market!

        2) Microsoft imposes a choice:
        Another fact is to force to done a choice: the problem is not "IF use VB6" or "IF use VB.NET" but "WHEN use VB6" and "WHEN use VB.NET".
        Only the developer has to decide which language to use, if it wants to use a lingaggio Microsoft, of course.

        3) Microsoft has lied
        Microsoft has tried, and failed, to force developers to migrate applications from VB6 to VB.NET, proving to have a limited view of the market.
        To do this, he told us, or did tell his supporters including many hired MVP, a lot of lies: that is identical to VB.NET VB6,
        We filled his head with a lot of lies that OOP, inheritance, polymorphism, etc.. were only and/or best in .NET.
        Has deliberately forgotten 'confess' that this was possible in VB6.0.
        RealSoftware proves that with the RealBasic (VB6 like) language has not only implemented all these features, but also allows you to create programs for different platforms (Linux, Macintosh and Windows), and has recently added the development for the Web in which web applications are compiled, so much safer, and can run on Linux or Windows server.
        So I can compile on Windows a WEB application for Linux.

        I omit other junk made ​​by Microsoft from Vista, 7, 8, Windows Phone, ...) justified only by pure commercial purposes.
        Maybe Microsoft should explain to me why on my notebook HP, 17'' dispaly, Windows 7 64bit, 8GB of RAM and i5 processor when I open a folder like System32 or SysWOW64 in 'Windows Explorer' takes longer than 1 minute to read all the files, while Windows XP reading was instant?
        Why when I open the same folder using FreeCommander (free!!!) it takes 1 second?

        Microsoft, good things should not be thrown away!

      • axisdjaxisdj commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Very Well Said Dean. I may be wrong but I think the worst thing from all of this is, how are we supposed to spend all this time re-writing our products and come to the same, if not slower functionallity. Anyway... Everyone let your co-workers.. etc know to come here and vote. We need to get to 12,000 votes, I think we can if the right people find out about this. Please spread the word!

      • DeanDean commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I've been a VB6 specialist since 2002, when I decided not to learn .Net. Information overloaded at the time and like others, I'm not interested in spending hours of my free time reading MSDN articles. I haven't learned anything new technologically speaking in the last 10 years... oh the fast paced world of IT! It's a job, not a passion. In my free time I prefer to do things like kicking *** playing Counterstrike, version 1.6 incidentally, also now know as "classic", and likewise, has a die hard following.

        Why? Because it's good. Micosoft released a fabulous set of tools - VB6, Windows XP, Windows 2000 Server, SQL Server 2000, ASP3 and there you are - provided with the capability to build a fully robust industrial strength systems... if you knew what you were doing... and I did. A mathematical background, combined with a post graduate software design qualification and working with one of Europe's biggest IT companys meant I acquired the skills to build award winning systems.

        It did the job, and still does. Businesses were happy. There is SHEDLOADS of code out there, and it's still being added to, still being depended on for BAU. That is correct - to all the .Net snobs I can tell you that it's perfectly feasible to construct a robust and intelligently designed VB6 based system which businesses can use for YEARS. Keep the 6 month learning curve for computer scientists who actually give a **** because I don't.

        Why did Microsoft scrap a LANGUAGE? A tool... OK, fine. But a language? Who will scrap the C language? Will the US president suddenly announce English is being replaced by Spanish? Is there any incentive to learn any propreitary language from Microsoft anymore? Maybe there was when they had a monopoly, but now people with an urge to code have many native platforms to chose from, including Ubuntu, Google and Apple.

        There are probably 1000s upon 1000s upon 1000s of applications currently in use that cannot ever be re-written in .Net because they are too big. Why? Think about how many programmers, testers, analysts, architects and project managers that would need for a full re-write. An "upgrade" is likely impossible because of the enmeshed activex controls and spaghetti code.

        Most companies just want to continue on with business as usual and these system could last 50 years. If Microsoft are expecting a scrap and replace 20 year cycle then maybe they are in the wrong business.

        The ironic thing is, as others have said, if Microsoft were to create a VB7 they would have an instantly successful product. Non-microsoft vendors will never be able to significantly encroach into that space because the whole point of VB6 was it was an IDE from the manufacturer of Windows, therefore a safe bet. Supposedly.

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have learn vb6,vf, vc6, c#, silverlight, wpf and many many microsoft's stuffs. Microsoft guys discard one and one, discard again and agan.
        Microsoft's technique is closed and discontinuous, when Microsoft discard one technique, we developers have no any method to continued it because microsoft don't open it,So microsoft are wasting all developers's time who use their technique.
        When we use java or php or google's or any other language, they all open, so when the sponsor give up, we developers can continued it, we won't waste our previous work.
        I don't think Microsoft can live more than ten years from now,because many and many developer have leave Microsoft's technique.
        If I learn their new technique again, microsoft will give up it in 3~5 years again, just like com, asp, silverlight, vb6, vc6,vf , vj and so on....,We developers have how many 3~5 years? I will not waste time on microsoft's new technology now.
        I Bet WinRT will die if there are not good native language suppor it. c# and .net all are jokes for cs, they are too bad performance, these languages are good for web, but not fit for cs. why? because sun's java language has prove it, java is only good for web, not for cs. today, visual studio, SqlMS, Dynamic CRM all eat huge memory and slow.But microsoft still has't recognize it, so microsoft will fail.

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