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    Eugene shared this idea  ·   ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

    We have read all of the comments on this thread and I’d like to thank you for providing your constructive feedback on this issue. Instead of merely repeating our support and migration guidance that has been laid out on http://msdn.com/vbrun, I’d like to address some of your specific comments here.

    To play back the feedback themes we’re hearing:
    - VB6 is awesome
    - VB6 needs to be brought forward and maintained: in a new release or OSS

    VB6 was and still is without a doubt awesome. VB6 made developers incredibly productive building a breadth of applications and as a result we have a wealth of applications and passionate developers to this day in 2014. One way I see our mission in developer tools is to empower developers to solve problems. This includes both today’s problems AND the problems of tomorrow. VB6, as you all have stated repeatedly in this thread, is an excellent tool for solving the problems of its day. We also stand behind our decision starting in 2002 to meet the current demands of our developers and the industry with .NET. For the scenarios VB6 set out to do, we see VB6 being “complete”. We feel good about VB6 being able to continue maintaining their applications for the past 15 years. Current needs ranging from distributed applications and services, to web applications and services, to devices, to new architectures and languages, required fundamental changes to the whole stack. We looked at how we could accommodate these needs through incremental changes to VB6 while maintaining its essence, and that was not possible.

    To address the modern needs we would need to go far beyond updating the language. We have to remember that VB6 is not just a language. VB6 is a language, a runtime, a platform library, a tool/IDE, and an ecosystem tightly packaged together in a way that made all of them work well together. We’ve worked with many customers on migration from VB6 to .NET and found that while yes, there are language changes, the dominating factor in migration difficulties isn’t the language differences. Even open sourcing the language/runtime wouldn’t solve the fact that VB6 was thought for a different set of problems, and the fact that its strength came from the end-to-end solution provided by all these five pieces working together. Take a change like 64bit, the complete runtime, tools and ecosystem chain would need to be retooled.

    So, moving forward what can we do? Where we have been able to help move forward is in our stance around support and interoperability. The VB6 runtime it is still a component of the Windows operating system and is a component shipped in Windows 8.1. It will be supported at least through 2024. This ensures your apps and components continue to run as you incrementally move forward to .NET. The support policy is here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/ms788708. There are numerous interop strategies that we developed and evolved to enable incremental migration as you upgrade your skills, described here: http://msdn.com/vbrun.

    In summary, VB6 was awesome. We agree. We don’t expect or demand anyone to throw away their code or rewrite from any of our technologies unless it makes business sense for them to do so. We have to innovate to enable our customers to innovate. It is not a viable option to create a next version of VB6. We stand by our decision to make VB.NET and the .NET Framework. We think they are awesome too. It is not feasible to open source VB6 tools chain and ecosystem. The VB6 runtime was last shipped in Windows 8.1 and will be supported for the lifetime of Windows 8.1. Support and interop are great tools to move forward incrementally.

    I hope you feel we’ve listened to your feedback and that I’ve explained things well enough that you understand our decision.

    Paul Yuknewicz
    Group Program Manager
    Microsoft Visual Studio Cloud Tools

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      • YayMS commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        at an absolute minimum release the struct defs, full API prototypes and pcode docs that the runtime uses for interoperability. Doc/Excel file format specs were released, .NET spec was released. Why not the vb6 specs? Its no longer a matter of code security private companies already have this level of info such as http://www.vb-decompiler.org/products.htm

      • ViralS commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I hope they bring a new version of Visual Basic 6.0! I hope Visual Basic 6.0 IDE will work on Win 9, if not, Microsoft will have a new scandal and will lose hundreds of thousands of programmers! Visual Basic 6.0, after 12-14 years is, again, in 2014 the most popular programming language.

      • John Kellgren commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        As a developer of 35-40 years now, I would love to have a totally updated version of Visual Basic to use...

      • The response commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is a response to a question (from a facebook page) of a VB.NET designer: Almost all types of VB6 open source applications are available online. VB6 is used around the world, giant companies, factories, industry in general, scientific research, engineering and so on. New applications are daily designed in this language (2500 of them are open source this year on PSC). Personally I know a nuclear power led by a series of VB6 app's, and it has been recently made. Platform used for VB6 app's are: Win 8, Win 7, ..............

        VB6 has always been a phenomena that could not be stopped by Microsoft, they tried frantically to do so and they given up, of course.

      • Sav commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Some say that MS does not have the expertise anymore to bring something as smart as a new version of VB6 (no joke there).

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Are we ready for a final answer from Microsoft? We have for the 'worst case' an answer? My answer would be: never again!

      • Dennis Johnson commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I didn't mean that.
        We should expect at least a reply from an admin, like "we decline, as our decision to abandon VB6 is final" or "we will reconsider".
        All we have here is absolute silence.

      • Miquel Matas commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The reason MS is not releasing a new version should be that the main vb6 developers should be all retired.... ;)

      • Dennis Johnson commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I wonder... The only reason an admin would reply is to comment for "accidental decline"? No interest from Microsoft at all???

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        YayMS has a great point! Perhaps one reason VB6 was\is so successful is because it is a perfect equilibrium of code and technologies. Crazy easy to create and support applications. Great performance. Very stable when app written well. Easy to learn for newbies. Amazingly potent for seasoned pros. Bravo MS on VB6!

      • Gen commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I'd learn my career without an school or college. Only with VB6
        Debe seguir!!!!
        Must going on !!!!!

      • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        As a contractor I wrote VB6 systems back in 1998 for Manulife Financial (the largest insurance company in Canada)

        Still in production today, going strong after 15 years!

      • YayMS commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        MS is all about new stuff. Out with the old! New is always better. I think they should do away with C++ and VB6 and even ASM. C# can do it all! Next they will make a runtime written in C# for a new language where the JIT will JIT ! and Javascript and HTML and rule the world layer after layer after layer after layer after layer until I can just type doit() and make millions ! My 1tb hello world app will be awesome! Out with the old !

        Now let me get some popcorn and watch the show as they progress...

      • axisdj commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Today I open my VB6 Written application with a sense of pride! 12 years after being abadoned, and vb6 cannot be killed, it will live on!

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