Bring back Classic Visual Basic, an improved version of VB6
The silent majority of VB6 users did not ask for changes that came with .NET
We request Microsoft brings back classic Visual Basic as COM development is back with Windows 8.
David Platt wrote an excellent article about why classic VB still thrives:
We have read all of the comments on this thread and I’d like to thank you for providing your constructive feedback on this issue. Instead of merely repeating our support and migration guidance that has been laid out on http://msdn.com/vbrun, I’d like to address some of your specific comments here.
To play back the feedback themes we’re hearing:
- VB6 is awesome
- VB6 needs to be brought forward and maintained: in a new release or OSS
VB6 was and still is without a doubt awesome. VB6 made developers incredibly productive building a breadth of applications and as a result we have a wealth of applications and passionate developers to this day in 2014. One way I see our mission in developer tools is to empower developers to solve problems. This includes both today’s problems AND the problems of tomorrow. VB6, as you all have stated repeatedly in this thread, is an excellent tool for solving the problems of its day. We also stand behind our decision starting in 2002 to meet the current demands of our developers and the industry with .NET. For the scenarios VB6 set out to do, we see VB6 being “complete”. We feel good about VB6 being able to continue maintaining their applications for the past 15 years. Current needs ranging from distributed applications and services, to web applications and services, to devices, to new architectures and languages, required fundamental changes to the whole stack. We looked at how we could accommodate these needs through incremental changes to VB6 while maintaining its essence, and that was not possible.
To address the modern needs we would need to go far beyond updating the language. We have to remember that VB6 is not just a language. VB6 is a language, a runtime, a platform library, a tool/IDE, and an ecosystem tightly packaged together in a way that made all of them work well together. We’ve worked with many customers on migration from VB6 to .NET and found that while yes, there are language changes, the dominating factor in migration difficulties isn’t the language differences. Even open sourcing the language/runtime wouldn’t solve the fact that VB6 was thought for a different set of problems, and the fact that its strength came from the end-to-end solution provided by all these five pieces working together. Take a change like 64bit, the complete runtime, tools and ecosystem chain would need to be retooled.
So, moving forward what can we do? Where we have been able to help move forward is in our stance around support and interoperability. The VB6 runtime it is still a component of the Windows operating system and is a component shipped in Windows 8.1. It will be supported at least through 2024. This ensures your apps and components continue to run as you incrementally move forward to .NET. The support policy is here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/ms788708. There are numerous interop strategies that we developed and evolved to enable incremental migration as you upgrade your skills, described here: http://msdn.com/vbrun.
In summary, VB6 was awesome. We agree. We don’t expect or demand anyone to throw away their code or rewrite from any of our technologies unless it makes business sense for them to do so. We have to innovate to enable our customers to innovate. It is not a viable option to create a next version of VB6. We stand by our decision to make VB.NET and the .NET Framework. We think they are awesome too. It is not feasible to open source VB6 tools chain and ecosystem. The VB6 runtime was last shipped in Windows 8.1 and will be supported for the lifetime of Windows 8.1. Support and interop are great tools to move forward incrementally.
I hope you feel we’ve listened to your feedback and that I’ve explained things well enough that you understand our decision.
Group Program Manager
Microsoft Visual Studio Cloud Tools
Microsoft Doesn't Budge on 'Classic' Visual Basic
Despite renewed developer hue and cry to do something with "classic" Visual Basic sparked by the recent 25th birthday celebration for the programming language, Microsoft is showing no signs of caving in and revitalizing the language, moving it to open source or anything else.
"Clearly this issue won't go away, closing this suggestion doesn't close down the demand for VB6 programming."
How to use Visual Studio 6 on Windows 10
Generate executable code without going through the Microsoft Intermediate Language (MSIL).
There is a new 4.8 release of the VS6/VB6 installer wizard available at http://nuke.vbcorner.net/
The wizard simplifies the installation of the VB6 programming IDE on Windows 10
With over 105,000 downloads, the installer is well proven.
What is the performance for that? Just a text or something.
A global community should raise this amount.
In case anyone is wondering, I asked Alan Cooper for a consultation on moving forward with a vb6 replacement to get some advise.. his rate is $1500 an hour. I think his insight may be worth it, just wanted to let everyone know.
Support Statement for Visual Basic 6.0 on Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012, Windows 10, and Windows Server 2016 -
The Visual Basic team is committed to "It Just Works" compatibility for Visual Basic 6.0 applications on the following supported Windows operating systems:
- Windows Vista
- Windows Server 2008 including R2
- Windows 7
- Windows 8 and Windows 8.1
- Windows Server 2012 including R2
- Windows 10
- Windows Server 2016
The Visual Basic team’s goal is that Visual Basic 6.0 applications continue to run on supported Windows versions.
As detailed in this document, the core Visual Basic 6.0 runtime will be supported for the full lifetime of supported Windows versions, which is five years of mainstream support followed by five years of extended support
The VB6 runtime will ship and will be supported in Windows 10 for the lifetime of the OS.
The VB6 runtime will ship and will be supported in Windows Server 2016 for the lifetime of the OS.
>> Alan Cooper is correct, you can do the same thing in any language. Any claim otherwise is just a "my religion is better than your religion" argument.
"Alan thinks the programming language has been the same for the past 40 years. They do the same thing and there is no difference between them"
Many of these 'last millennium' languages are still the leaders today.
With the slight exception of functional programming (which has had more academic success than commercial) there has been little advance this millennium. .Net was developed around the turn of the millennium as a clone of Java. Apple's Swift (effectively an update of the 80's Objective-C) is growing as is Google's Go, but otherwise this millennium's languages haven't taken the programming world by storm.
Alan Cooper is correct, you can do the same thing in any language. Any claim otherwise is just a "my religion is better than your religion" argument.
Quote From Alan Cooper:
Alan thinks the programming language has been the same for the past 40 years. They do the same thing and there is no difference between them. He says,
“You can look at all these different languages and point to all the differences but the differences don’t mean much.”
A few years ago, Alan started working on something interesting but his code was repeatedly crashing. He started pulling out his code and testing it but couldn’t find the problem. Finally, he started testing .NET and realised that was where the issue lay. It was using the same code for the past 20 years. They hadn’t rewritten the kernels. His program was crashing because he was asking .NET to do what the rulebook said it couldn’t do. Programming languages don’t let you express outside of what they expect you to want. He says,"
You Tube video tutorial about installing the VB6 programming IDE on Windows 10.
The new url for Microsoft's support statement for the VB6 programming language is...
Please correct your statement (above).
A new release of the NS Basic programming language is available.
NS Basic is a language and IDE for developing web and mobile apps and is similar to the VB6 programming language.
LofaDay, please know I had no choice, I still think vb6 is better in so many ways, but I need true cross platform support.
@Microsoft, update VB6... What I find interesting about the semi-failure of MS's Win 10 Store is that, as usual, MS seems to have misunderstood it's own success elsewhere. The entire web was and is it's store. Google an app, see an app, download the app, install it, done. EVERYONE DOES IT. We don't need no managed store to complicate that!
I'm not hugely familiar with Android (I have a Galaxy Note) but it seems that I HAVE to go thru their store. WHY? So in a word, I won't be rushing to put an app on a store.. it it's good enough, people will find it. VB6 or whatever.
At Axisdj, er sorry mate, glad you found your solution, but VB6 it ain't :-)
Bring back Visual Basic 6.0. It is the best language ever made !
with all it's bumpy past, delphi has proven it respects its user base:
VB6 programming for the Windows Store
"Putting (my VB6) Windows Apps in the Windows 10 Store - Project Centennial" - Scott Hanselman of Microsoft.
At my age of 25, I believe that Visual Basic 6.0 is, by far, the most powerful language ever made !
At my age of 25, I believe that VB6 is, by far, the most powerful language ever made !
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